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Question Re HunspillSubject: RE: Huntspill
The agency is holding it's annual coarse angling championships on the River Huntspill this year. I've not fished it for many years so wondered if you could provide an insight into how it fishes nowadays. Last time I went, it was a gallon of squats and 12lb of ground bait. Bet that's changed. I particularly interested in how you fish the waggler there. I've heard you do quite well at it. Any guidance would be great.
Thanks KEITH JENKINS
Thanks for your email and enquiry. Yes the Huntspill has changed over the years and methods used then for bream have changed. Bridge areas seem to hold them but not in the huge numbers as seen in the past. Far bank fishing with the feeder is best if bream are your quarry. However there are loads of small fish to be caught on the pole or waggler line. In the last two years I have framed in almost every match I fished there using the waggler. There are two waggler tactics, first is my tried and tested loose hemp and maggot approach, fishing off the bottom at 20 meters out, single red maggot 20 hook. Catching roach on the drop over a catapult of two dozen grains of well cooked hemp and ÔŅĹ dozen maggots. Finally laying hard on in the last hour picking up eels and perch. The second approach is Brown and supercup groundbait little knobs every cast fishing the same distance with pinky and red maggot. This will produce small skimmers and roach with the odd big un coming in on the same line. Try alternating off the bottom and hard on. But you must decide before the start which approach is best for you. As you cant mix and match the two tactics together. Just keep one thing in mind, you must produce a bite and catch fish throughout the match and you will end up with double figures. I hope this has helped! Let me know how you get on!
Tight Lines Clive Branson
Thanks Clive............ Two useful approaches.. I guess you feed walnut size knobs. Do you ball any in on the initial all-in or just maintain the drip feeding. I appreciate that you have to keep your edge but any chance you could describe your waggler set up please. I know that the depths average around 7ft at 20mt and that picking up the tow is vital. How far off bottom do you place your strung out bulk. Do you use loaded wagglers atall ?? Going to be putting in a fair bit of practice on the 'Spill this year so may well bump into you....... I don't know if you remember me. used to fish with Cassnewydd back in the days of Martin Trueman, Tony Croomb, Niel Stephens and the rest.
Cheers Keith .
If you use the groundbait method then yes walnut sizes best. I may put in just a couple of balls first. Chuck out a feeder for 5mins (Middle) and expect a couple of quick bites either perch or skimmers will soon dry up though. Bulk or loaded inserted wagg will do fine. 3 number 6 shot down with a number 8 on the hook length 20 hook on 8 bottom Dead depth to begin altering as the match progresses
PS. Glad to see you back fishing. Are you working for the EA
Cheers Clive... Will give it a go as soon as the river opens. Yes still with EA, Been 26years now. Not bailiffing nowadays, TOO OLD (54) hence back into my fishing.
Hi Clive........ One last question if I may. Loose feed and groundbait approaches.............. Am I right to think that loose feed is used when there is little tow and the groundbait when it's pushing through.. or do you use some other criteria
Thanks for all your great advice.
The Secret is to know what species are in your swim. Loose feed for roach / groundbait for skimmers. Donít over complicate yourself with tow etc.. when you have fished there a few times you will know what method to use when you draw your peg. Any top match angler know that there is no hard and fast rules for every swim. This is where the Welsh manager Eric Humphries got it wrong and that is why the team has never done any good under his regime. When the Welsh team Won a Gold and Bronze medals and When I won Silver and Gold And R Bainton P Davies won bronze. Under John Mayers management We were left to fish as we saw fit with the swim we drew. Whereby under Doug Hornblow and Humpries the team have to fish their way. (They havenít got a clue)
Sorry I canít be more specific
Thanks Clive.............. Point taken. Knowing the water is key. As captain of the EA Wales Coarse Angling Team, I do everything I can to gain as much knowledge of the match venue as I can.( hence my chats with you and others ) I have team members from throughout Wales who will all be visiting the 'Spill but myself and a colleague will be fishing it regularly from the 16th. Although our Championships aren't till September every bit of knowledge is important. By Sept, all will have had a few practice sessions and we will have a general TEAM PLAN but on the day it will be down to the individual to make the most of their draw and fish it how they think best. The individuals talents must be allowed to come through. Only a fools would insist that everyone adopt the same approach. Are you fishing the 'spill much this year?? would be good to bump into you again after all these years.
I have enjoyed our conversations and wish you best for the upcoming event. And yes I shall be fishing the Spill as we have a South West super league event there this summer. This venue I believe is perhaps one of the last true silver fish venues around and looking forward to fishing most of the matches. However I will be juggling this with fishing the Warwickshire Avon at Evesham.
I hope to bump into you and tight lines
had a nice day yesterday on a crystal waggler. Water about 4-5 foot deep, slow and very clear now so I fished and fed a good way downstream. Overcast all day, almost no wind, kept a nice tight line to the float. Wanted to try for the roach and in the past have only ever got into them on caster. So I fished caster. Caught quite a few but missed 8/10 bites. Good sized fish - about 8-10oz. Was fishing a size 22 on 0.08 hooklength. Float dotted right down. They were biting the end off the caster and sucking the contents out. I tried nicking the caster at the blunt end, at the sharp end, in the middle, buried inside from the blunt end, buried inside from the sharp end. Nothing made any difference. When I tried burying the hook threaded from the sharp end (reverse to normal) they were biting off the blunt end. How smart is that! Even tried a size 28 to see if I could get them to smash the caster with a proper bite. No good. Have you studied how roach nick the end off the caster? I presume they do it with their throat teeth?Any advice? something you (and John Allerton) mentioned was that roach will follow the bait down as it descends. Can you explain what you mean by this? Are the roach following the loosefeed down, or the hookbait, or both?
Is this something they do regardless of how much loosefeed you put in? Regardless of the size of the shoal? Regardless of the size of the fish? Are the roach up in the water waiting for the loosefeed, follow it down, and then go back up? Or do they wait nearer the bottom and swim to the top when the loosefeed
arrives, then follow it down? Or is it more the case that the roach follow the bait down only in the last third (say) of the water? What do you envisage is happening? Cheers Jon
In my experience the roach that nick the end are usually smaller fish fry (roach, chub, dace etc..) or maybe minnows. (Have you minnows in the river) Roach over a few onces generally give a smashed caster. (See next part of answer also maybe that may explain that phenomena) When roach follow the bait down they literally do just that and can swim with the bait in their mouth along the swim without any indication on the float. That is why some anglers in the midlands developed a stick float with a bristle (See float encyclopedia) allowing the most sensitive
bite indication possible. It seems mainly roach do this however I have noticed dace can do the same sometimes.
Kind regards Clive
Hi Clive, thanks for the answers. There are minnows yes in the river. And dace too. I caught some dace yesterday, but no minnows. Perhaps I should have tried a very small caster! So presumably when a minnow nicks the end off a caster they do it with their lips? Re following the bait down - I think I understand. I was thinking that when you said follow the bait "down" that down meant vertically, from top to bottom, but clearly you don't, you mean horizontally, getting
further away from you but at the same depth. You see how easy it is to get the wrong idea!
Hope you remember me, Arnie Palmer (Holbeach & District AC). We sat behind you for quite sometime during your recent Super League Match, the one where you were second. For me as captain of our team in the forthcoming Div One National, it was a great experience to see how you approach the river and receive the advice you freely gave to us. During and after the match I made notes and wondered if the methods you used would work throughout the river and on the other two drains and whether or not you would use the same method on all the sections of the Huntspill.Answer
Yes If all your team committed themselves to the waggler I am sure you would make the top ten. Some members may win a section if they are good enough. I suggest setting two waggler rods up. First rig should be just touching bottom allowing to slide the float up the line when the fish start to come off bottom. Some times 12" off bottom. Just keep moving the float around making sure that you are getting bites at all times. (3AA insert waggler, 3 number 8 down the line. size 20 hook 8Diam line)
2nd Rig should lay on about 3ft allowing to hold bottom when the Huntspill flows. (Usually opposite direction to the wind and remember that when casting and feeding) 2swan wagg with 6 number 6 down line with the last two on the bottom. This will slow up the tow Keep trying both wagglers making sure that you are getting bites. Work rate is the answer. If no bites are coming just keep feeding as they will come. In some section there are more roach than skimmers. However In my opinion you should put knobs of ground bait in every cast for the first 30 mins using about 2 kilo of mixed brown crumb and Lake. (I use supercup skimmers and roach love it) Then change to loose fed red maggot over hemp. Fill up a medium cup of hemp and sprinkle a dozen maggots on top. Catapult in an area over a dustbin lid size. Concentrate in that area just pass the pole line. 5/6 rod lengths out. Remember also to have a pole set up to hold back if the flow is strong. Just come a bit shorter. Try hemp on the hook on the pole line as this can catch also. All the best for the national and I hope this has helped I am sure if all the team used this method you will all do well. Including the King sedgemore. Although the pole may be better there.
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Hi Clive Can you give me any tips on fishing a flooded river, where do the fish go?
Hi John Thanks for your email. I am asked often this question. Most people fish in the slack water away from the main flow. However I have often caught out in the main flow using feeder or ledger tactics. The flow in a flooded river would often be faster on the surface whilst slower on the bottom. The reason I know this is because a friend of mine who happens to be a diver experienced this phenomena when my local river was high. He told me that he could hold on to the bottom easily but when he came near the surface he could not swim against the current. This obviously means fish can also live in the main river, simply use enough lead to hold against the surface flow. (It helps by using a bow in the line method; see a previous tip of mine) I hope this has helped in your question where do the fish go in a flooded river.
hi clive can you give me some tips for fishing slow flowing rivers. there are roach gudgeon dace barbel chub and carp in this river and i want to catch them but what type of float and what bait should i use?
When I fish slow flowing rivers I always use the lightest float possible so that the flow of any current will help the float produce a natural bait as possible. However methods depends on the species of fish that I am after. Roach, gudgeon and dace use light tackle such as a stick float or pole float. For Carp, Barbel and chub use heavy tackle and in some instances use ledger tactics. For bait use maggot or caster for roach, dace and gudgeon. For Barbel, chub and carp try using halibut pellets as they are catching more and more fish these days.
I hope this may help in catching some fish please let me know how you get on.
hi there clive just found your sight look greats like some tips on winter baits as i,m fishing for carp at my local also how much to feed and what to attract them in the cold weather were having cheers m8 jason (wrexham)Hi Lewis
Thanks for your email. This time of year as the winter and colder water set in, a lot of fish slow up in feeding and carp being no exception. With this in mind we must now adopt a meaner approach with our feeding. Another words not so generous with groundbait or loose feed. Generally paste and large baits are left at home. The shallow parts of the lake when the sun comes out will produce the best sport. This is due to the water warming quicker in the sunlight. Try smaller baits such as pellets, red worm and even maggots this time of year. I hope this has helped
Tight Line Clive
Sorry to bother you but I am after some information as I am from the North East of England where I fish matches etc at woodlands however, I am venturing to WhiteSprings next week to fish on the New Canal and fish the HASSRA Nationals. Taking into account this is a three man team can you give me any info. Kind regards
Martin Rowell IT Support Technician Capita ITS DSU Northern Region
The new match canal was built 2 years ago then stocked with small carp and f1. We had the first match last year on this prolific small lake. The winning weight was 173lb The canal type lake is 13-14 meters wide. With 8" - 16" shelves on the far bank. Method is to fish the inside shelf first catching on pellet or worm. Switching to the far shelf after pre-baiting. If that goes dead then you have the option to fish down the track.
The last time I fished that lake I won it with 52lb of small carp (8-12oz) fishing the far shelf with the pole breaking down using chopped worm
Hi thanks for your question
A simple loop of line from the hook could solve the problem. Just loop around the pellet in a hanging knot. I also like to use a pellet band as this is just as quick.
Iíve been having a lot
of trouble fishing for chub on the rivers this winter. I
fish a couple of stretches on the river Aire which hold good heads of
chub, the main tactic is ledgering a big bait, which I
do. My problem comes with bite detection, I fish a heavy
feeder rod with the stiff carbon tip, Iím constantly getting touches
and knocks which I am interpreting as fish playing with
the bait or debris hitting the line. I position my rod
tip high as to keep most of the line out of the water. I
canít see where Iím going wrong but on quite a few
occasions during the session when I bring the
meat/bread/corn/paste has been pilfered. Fair enough if
it was just the bread I would assume that it has been
washed off. Could you give me some tips/pointers?
During the winter most rivers tend to carry extra water and lots of debris such as leaves, twigs etc, especially after some rain. This can lead to phantom bites as the rubbish hits the line and cover the bait. A trick that I often use is to squeeze a BB split shot 3Ē above the baited hook and another one just above the feeder (If I am using one at the time) This will eliminate the bait from being covered therefore when I get a bite it becomes a positive one. Another thing you must consider is using a hardy bait instead of soft paste, bread etc. I find a large Lobworm to be the best bait for chub, although Halibut pellets is now becoming popular bait. Luncheon meat threaded up the line above the hook is also a good winter bait. Apart from that it seems as though you are fishing correctly with the line out of the water as much as possible, although I tend to strike at any movement on the rod tip, as fish in the cold donít attack the bait as they do in summer. Quite often I will hook a fish with just a small tremor, it also keeps you active and keeps the swim baited up in the faster flow.
this has helped please let me know how you get on.
Tight Lines Clive
I would like to know where I can get lob worms and how would you use this bait. Regards Keith.
Tight Lines Clive
Could you give me some
tips on hemp and tare fishing? In particular how the
bloody hell do you hook the
things? And feeding methods.Thanks
The easiest way to hook hemp is to pin prick on the top of the seed (One which has not opened after cooking) two small holes either side of the shell, so that you can pass a wide gape hook through (As if you are hooking a maggot) I use a knot picker or a small darning needle. This way you not only keep the hemp seed on but can catch quite a few before re hooking. If you are fishing close in you can push the shank of the hook into the split, however you may have to re bait when you miss a bite. Feed sparingly when you start to fish then increase when you attract a large shoal. I only use tares on the hook, cook them until they soften (Not to soft) squeeze one when cooking until they feel right for hooking..I hope this has helped, let me know how you get on.
I've only been
fishing for a few months and love every minute of it and
I've just tried my hand at feeder fishing. I set up using a feeder
that slides up and down the line and my hook length to
the bottom eye of the swivel. I've noticed quite
a few other anglers have tied their hook length to the
main line, 12 inches or so above the feeder, but
haven't seen any 'loops!?'.Could you tell me how this
is done please and in your opinion, the best way to
present everything when feeder fishing. Thanks very much Regards Paul Burgess
Tight lines Clive
Subject: small river pole fishing
MY tip. I fish a similar small river (Taff Feeder) and hold the match record of 33lb in 4 hours. By using a small river pole float in conjunction with a rod and reel I can cover a very long trot. (Using a pole you are limited in the length of your swim) Slightly over shotting a reverse pear pole float holding back the float and easing it through the swim will attract a lot of fish. Try this method and let me know how you get on?
Hi clive hope you are well and enjoying youre fishing
Would you mind helping me, i have been fishing an old clay pit ,its a mixed fishery
and i ve been after the Skimmers useing a Slider its 12 feet deep iv been feeding loads off balls of b crumb and fishing maggot over the top and as hook bait .i catch lots of roach ,but a few skimmers now and then .
Some guy had 25 skimmers the other day on the feeder ,but i like FLOAT fishing.
How can i put together a decent bag
of skimmers.Trying to find decent info on Slider fishing
is anightmare as well.
Thanks for your email
Try chopped worm in the crumb instead of maggot
and then a small piece of worm on the hook. Go to my
Thanks for your email
If you have an eyelet on the tip of the pole then I suspect you may have purchased what we call a whip. I also suspect that the whip pole is telescopic.You could just tie your terminal tackle onto the eye. (Terminal tackle is float line shots and hook, you can purchase a complete set up from most tackle shops)
What I normally do to my top section of pole, is first take off the eye and insert a pv bush available from tackle shops, also thread a pole elastic through the top section securing it with a small bung, on top of the elastic join a stompho (line attachment) from there you can attach the terminal tackle.
I hope this has helped! You could also try my friends web site
Tight Lines Clive
Sent: 16 August 2005 17:20To:
Thanks for your email
After receiving your 2nd email regarding the bait you use I would strongly recommend that you try a hair rig with your luncheon meat bait (please see previous question about hair rig))
Also I would suggest that you shorten your tail shot closer to the hook i.e.. 8"-10". I would also use a finer hook length say diameter 10 or 12
I hope this has helped. Please let me know how you get on.
HI CLIVE, THINKING OF DOING A BIT OF COURSE FISHING MAINLY FOR CARP WANT A ROD TO DO FLOAT FISHING PLUS CAN ALSO LEDGER BAIT WITH SMALL WEIGHTS.CAN YOU SUGGEST A GENERAL ROD TO DO BOTH? WHAT BREAKING STRAIN LINE DO YOU USE? THANKS ROB THOMAS
There really isnít a combination
fishing rod that will do both float and ledger
fishing. Because of the nature of each type of
presentation, for example a ledger rod would have to
be very sturdy for casting a weight at distance, where
a float rod would be lighter and a softer action for
casting much lighter terminal tackle such as a float.
Also the action on each rod fish very differently, for
example when float fishing, you will be holding the
rod at all times therefore this rod would be have to
be much lighter than a ledger rod. I do suggest that
you go to a local tackle shop for more information as
they I am sure would put you on the right path.
Breaking strain lines also differ. Heaver main reel
line for ledgering and lighter line for float fishing
again I would seek the advise from your local tackle
shop and I would mention where you intend to fish as
they would also help you their. (All depends on the
size of fish expected to be caught) Tight lines Clive
When I am fishing a similar method i.e. floating caster or pellet I smear the line to the hook with muslin. This is a fly line product that can be bought from most tackle shops. It is a small round tin with a pad included. Simple wipe the muslin on to the pad and then fold the pad and run the line that you want to float along the length. This may last for a good hour or two, them repeat as required.
Tight Lines Clive
Thanks for your question
I tie a small loop coming from the hook and by threading a bait needle through my bait I then pull the loop back through the bait (i.e. meat, pellet, boile etc) I then attach either a small piece of grass or spaghetti to the loop so that the bait does not come off. I hope that makes sense
i got your
site when i was looking on geers in belgiums site,i
wondered if you can help me find a supplier in the uk
where i can find some clubmen bream yellow groundbait. with thanks lee
could you please tell me how to get perfect black tares
i have tried the usual ( bi-carb and sugar )
many thanx ian
Hi IanThanks for your email. The secret in colouring black tares is to actually die them with a clothes die when cooking (Black dylon) This was a very close secret for the anglers in the know Definitely worth a try Tight Lines]